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Obama Abandoning Eastern Europe?

Greg Randolph Lawson: The Obama Administration’s decision to stop the deployment of the ballistic missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic is unwise. It is unlikely to yield concessions from Russia on key issues and may cause other allies around the globe to question US defense commitments.

There are many arguments as to why placing a ballistic missile defense (BMD) system in Poland and the Czech Republic are a "bad idea."  Some are legitimate, however, none are compelling enough to justify the recent decision by the Obama Administration to drop the plans laid out by the Bush Administration to proceed with the deployment of a long range ballistic missile defence (BMD) in those two nations.

Naturally, many arms control advocates have long argued that ballistic missile defense is "destabilizing" and runs the risk of inciting arms build ups by nations that will fear missile defense as a subversive method of guaranteeing a first strike capability and thus eliminating mutual deterrence.  This, of course, is particularly acute in the case of Russia which has been the starkest critic of the planned deployment of BMD in Europe since the Bush Administration began discussing it years ago.  There are also arguments of expense and over the systems current technological capacity to be effective.

Unfortunately, the Obama Administration buys into those arguments and will now push for a "regional defense" for Europe against the threats posed by the short and medium range missiles of "rogue states" like Iran, but will drop it's plans to place a long range defense into Poland and the Czech Republic.

I suppose you could say that at least he is not completely abandoning his European allies, however, this maneuver reeks of capitulation.  With President Obama seeking a successor to the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) by the end of this year as well as seeking Russian assistance in dealing with the Iranian nuclear issue, this looks like a crude attempt at a quid pro quo.  However, Russia has already stated that is does not see this move as a reason to offer concessions on the START successor nor on the Iranian question.

This, ultimately, raises the question of why President Obama would essentially throw two allies (who used to suffer under Soviet puppet regimes) under the bus.  Those who know history understand that both the Czech Republic and Poland have been cast aside by Great Powers on any number of past occasions as part of the old school (and by no means dead) balance of power thinking. 

In 1939 alone, both nations were overrun by powerful neighbors while the "Great Powers" dithered.  It was after the famous "Munich Agreement" that former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain said "Peace in Our Times" even as he gave Hitler the green light to take back the Sudetenland in then Czechoslovakia.  Of course Hitler did much more than take that region, he took the entire thing after he knew the "Great Powers" would not stop him.  Poland also faced dismemberment at the hands of the Nazis and the Soviets simultaneously after the infamous Molotov-Ribbentop pact of 1939.  We should also not forget the multiple partitions of Poland going back to the 1700s as the Austrians, Prussians, and Russians gobbled up different pieces of the Polish pie while other nations watched.

Obviously, we do not face the likelihood of analogous situations happening in the near term.  Yet, a commitment by the United States to place missile defense on the soil of two such historically abused nations speaks to an effort to insure that those types of aggressions will be made permanently intolerable.  This is especially important as petroleum fueled Russia continues to flex its muscles in its own near abroad and fights to continue controlling European access to energy from Central Asia.

Keeping the missile defense in those two nations speaks volumes about how far the U.S. is willing to allow Russia to go.  All experts, and the Russians themselves, well understand that the system being installed could not be used in an offensive way against the scope of the Russian nuclear arsenal.  Rather, it is intended to confront dangerous new actors on the stage like Iran while offering needed political support to newly emerging economic players in Europe.  Certainly, it will also provide legitimate restraint on any possible future revanchism by Russia, but that is not offensive in any way shape or form.

How long before other partners begin wondering whether the US will stick with our commitments to them? 

Greg Lawson is the Director of Communications for a US based political advocacy organization and is a life long observer of political and foreign affairs.

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Jakob  Schirmer

September 17, 2009

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As a convinced European I am not sure if placing a BMD system in Central Europe is the right way towards a common European integration. Objecting the Russian doctrine of the "near abroad" by establishing a Western "near abroad" is not very integrating. In my opinion we need a "integration through interdependence" as German foreign policy promotes it. In this regard we should also not neglect the Russian attempts of a new security policy architecture immediately. Security through integration is always better than through deterrence. Why not to take the Russians on board of the BMD system?
 
Marek  Swierczynski

September 17, 2009

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The timing may be unfortunate (17 of September is for Poland a symbol of a national catastrophe) but the decission itself represents a long-predicted and expected shift in the US policy and only day-dreamers could have hoped for the European BMD plans as forged under Bush to continue. One has to remember that Obama is not dumping the idea of missile defence, he just scraps what was one of most thorny issues of the Bush legacy: picking two new EU members, ex-soviet bloc countries to host installations that could be used for anti-Russian propaganda and which could have sparked a regional arms-race, with ballistic nuclear missiles being deployed within the EU borders, in the Kaliningrad zone. By deciding not to do so, Obama did not scrap NATO, nor did he put his minor alliances in question. He stressed that NATO will be a platform for a comprehensive missile defence system, that may onclude Russia as well, and that there is a need for such a system - something that is a common knowledge. The US has already a tested sea-based missile defence system and a half-tested land-based one. As we understand, elements of this system will be available to cover NATO, if neccessary. But the neccessity is farm if ever appears. Iran's missile and nuclear programme was deemed as not posing a serious threat at the moment and certainly Russia is deemed not to pose a threat to the US, NATO and even their new Eastern European allies. Judging by Poland's reaction, this was communicated to the government in Warsaw and there are no radical steps expected - like withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. But if the US and the EU fail to accomodate Russia's ambitions and bellicose attitudes there prevail, the new transatlantic link with Eastern Europe may face a tough time. But the geopolitical reality is such that both Poland and the Czech Republic are safer as loyal members of EU, NATO and allies of the US than alone - and therefore Obama's bitter pill will be swallowed with a smile.
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September 18, 2009

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The author, “a life long observer of political and foreign affairs,” can’t squeeze a cold war vision of the world from himself… He still measures things in terms of “yielding concessions from Russia,” etc.

It’s good to see that more and more Europeans are moving beyond this point.
 
Andrey  Chubyk

September 18, 2009

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Despite of all advantages and disadvantages for Europe regarding new BMD it is clear, that such behavior of the USA will play significant role in the readiness of another countries to work or discuss similar cooperation deals or even have USA as a strategic partner. It shows to the whole world, that interests of small countries could be neglected because of the global policy, international challenges or several others reasons.
The principle of equal rights seems to reflect only duties but not privileges of the "young brothers and sisters ".
Joining big security organizations doesn't mean, that regional cooperation first of all, between small countries could be put off. Only in the equal community could be equal respect.
 
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September 18, 2009

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It is refreshing to here something that doesn't make America look like the bad guy in Europe appear on your web site. I am so tired of my country being thrown under the bus by Europeans when they haven't done enough to help pay for there own defense. While i do appreciate European help fighting the terrorists, they need to realize that the U.S. is in Europe for Europe a lot more than we are for our own benefit.
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Carola  Balbuena

September 18, 2009

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When the Bush administration announced the idea of building a missile defense shield in Central Europe, the goal was to preempt long-range ballistic attacks from Iran and other “rouge nations”. However, the planned anti-missile shield in Poland and Czech Republic can also have consequences unforeseen by NATO; among them a strong reaction from Russia. History has demonstrated Russia’s sensitivity regarding these territories. Therefore, the ultimate result of such a strategic reassessment could conceivably be that more nuclear armed missiles target Poland and the Czech Republic than before the installation of said missile shield resulting in uncertain strategic security gains for NATO, the United States, and the shield’s host countries.
 
John  Hadjisky

September 19, 2009

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The Obama administration is canceling the long-range interceptors, but it IS deploying a missile defense.

Isn't this a tacit admission that missile defense does, in fact, work?

I salute his pragmatism. Assuming it continues, he will have saved the Democratic party from a world of hurt that they would quite richly deserve, had an interceptable nuclear missile been used in anger.
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John  Hadjisky

September 19, 2009

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I had network problems at first but I have just finished watching the video. A class act, and no, I am not being sarcastic (this time). The Poles and the Czechs may not like this policy, and I sympathize, but I have to admit, Obama struck just the right tone, including prominent mention of NATO Article 5.

I hope the President's fellow Democrats LISTEN to him.

(I also hope work continues on the other aspects of missile defense such as boost phase interception and long-range interception)
 
Jesse  Schwartz

September 20, 2009

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this is a truly pathetic article....

way to invoke Godwin's law while simultaneously propagating utter lies, or as Robert Gates plainly states, 'Those who say we are scrapping missile defense in Europe are either misinformed or misrepresenting the reality of what we are doing.''

 
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September 20, 2009

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The world stage is no longer/should not be looked upon as a big chess game board, not any longer, for a change.
 
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September 20, 2009

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There has to be a pragmatic view about things. One often looks at various assumptions that underlie many such articles. First, is the United States the guardian of the world? Has it adopted a few states? What would be its parameters for adopting such states (should one go along with certain assumptions)?
Could those parameters end up with the US seeking a guardian by the middle of this century? Etc. Because the moment one speaks about abandonment, one has to speak about adoptions. It goes with the territory.
But the more pragmatic realization, it seems, is the encircling of the United States by many states that do not accept US supremacy or assumptions of that. They abound in the Americas and East Europe is East Europe. Secondly, why should East Europe assume adoptions by the US when the European Union is so close by?
That more or less sums up the arguments, without one even needing to look at the emergence of other powers and the resurgence of a former super-power. And whether one likes it or not, the world is made up of a lot of powerful people and states that do not see themselves inhabiting the European medieval ages in the twenty-first century. Including their rejection of a religious (christian-white in this case) state-system thinly veiled in modern overtones. That clubbing by itself ensures that the US may begin looking for its own foster parents soon enough. There are many factors at play - including other volatile areas in the world where democracies (no matter how distasteful as India proves time and again) are behaving like lemmings, except that their exports of fellow lemmings (largely peasantry-labourer class overseas during the colonial era that largely forms the overseas Indian diaspora) promise to injure their host states - in a very unlike Indic cosmology behaviour that they are guilty of hijacking both in India and overseas. There are many such areas and East Europe should form the first concern for the European Union and not the US.
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September 20, 2009

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Two articles for references :

(1) EU High Representative for the CFSP Javier Solana's speech at Harvard University : http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles/en/article_9007_en.htm

(2) Role of Think Tanks in Democracy :
http://think-tanks.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B2173AD7CACC6DC9!178.entry
 
Alexander Josef Pilic

September 21, 2009

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The Cold War may be over but many Russian politicians act as if there were still a Soviet Union and a world power status worth to defend. The US is not the "guardian of the world" but Washington is the guardian of the western world or at least NATO due to it's military potential. Taking this and China's growing defense expenses and possible threats from rogue states like Iran and North Korea into consideration, I think a missile defense as planned by Bush is quite logical. If Obama cancels the project in order to be nice to Russia and get Moscow's support in other issues he will be proved deadly wrong as Mr. Lawson explained. I am not much into the technical details of neither the old or the new plan, but if Obama can put into place an effective missile defense without installations in Poland and Czech Republic, why not? The only difference will be is that he can say once again "look how much nicer I am than the old president" without changing anything. What struck me watching the video is that his message seems to be that the whole missile defense is focused on the threat posed by Iran. I hope this is just rhethoric and does not mean that Obama considers Russia and China as his best friends...
 
Donald  Stadler

September 21, 2009

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@Mr. Pilic,

Interesting points you make.

"What struck me watching the video is that his message seems to be that the whole missile defense is focused on the threat posed by Iran."

This is no change from the position taken by Bush. A missile defense comprised of 10 interceptors is not going to be much of a defense against a major Russian launch of ICBMs, so in this case both Obama and Bush were correct, the defense would be against an Iranian attack or possibly an accidental launch from Russia or the West (it could be used against our own accidents).

"I hope this is just rhethoric and does not mean that Obama considers Russia and China as his best friends..."

It depends. Viewed solely from an American realpolitik perspective, there would be major advantages to warming relations between the US and Russia, possibly to the point where the relationship could be warmer than that between the US and much of continental Europe.

This would take a while to develop, I admit, but the point I am making is that the US and Russia historically were not natural strategic adversaries prior to 1945. In fact the hostility between the two countries of the Cold War era was caused by the US being part of NATO and "defending" Europe from Russia. If the US were to withdraw from NATO or hollow out it's participation in NATO (particularly the defense of continental Europe) I think relations would eventually markedly improve between the two countries.

Would such hollowing cause a problem for Europe? Without a doubt. But given that most of continental Europe have been enthusiastically hollowing out their own participation in NATO for a generation now, a proportional US reaction to those policies is a policy which could make a great deal of sense.

I don;t think the concept of 'Best Friends' exists in international politics, save perhaps the "Special Relationship" between the US and the UK, which is carefully maintained because both countries find it useful. The Bush administration pursued a successful policy of warming relations with India in recent years, but one would hardly call the two countries 'friends'. Friendly perhaps. I think it's to the US advantage to pursue a friendly policy toward China and Russia as well while fully recognizing that these are great powers in their own right(s) and are not going to behave as US allies might be expected to do (but usually don't).

In fact I think the dividing line between most NATO allies and those outside NATO has blurred considerably to the point where I think it's rational to view countries like Germany and France as adversaries almost as much as partners, just as we have come to think of China and Russia as partners almost as much as adversaries.

Writing as one who was once a Atlanticist 'hawk', I will say that I can see advantages for the US in moving to a neutral stance between continental Europe and Russia, following the German example of the past generation.....
 
Donald  Stadler

September 21, 2009

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One last point I will make here, to Mr. Pilic:

From a Realpolitik POV I think further US deployment in Europe makes sense only if we assume that Europe is equally committed to the defense of the US as the US has been committed to the defense of Europe for two generations.

The weight of events since the fall of the Berlin Wall argues strongly against that assumption, I think. Europe is far less committed to the US (excepting the UK). This leaves too much power, responsibility, and risk on the shoulders of the US and makes it too easy for our increasingly nominal allies in Europe to heap blame upon the head of the US while contributing as little as they have been in recent years - and that is very little indeed.

If one judges nations by their actions rather than their rhetoric one may perceive that Russia is much less of an adversary and continental Europe much less of a friend than the conventional wisdom holds to be true.

There are two ways to react to this; the US can either seek to strengthen inter-NATO ties or move to a neutral stance. The strengthening has been tried and largely failed; so I propose the US move to the latter stance except in the case of selected countries which have behaved as more than nominal allies in recent years.
 
Marek  Swierczynski

September 22, 2009

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@Donald
It is quite a frightening picture that you painted with those few lines:
"the hostility between the two countries of the Cold War era was caused by the US being part of NATO and "defending" Europe from Russia", "If one judges nations by their actions rather than their rhetoric one may perceive that Russia is much less of an adversary and continental Europe much less of a friend than the conventional wisdom holds to be true",
"I propose the US move to the latter stance except in the case of selected countries which have behaved as more than nominal allies in recent years"
but even the most hawkish Atlanticists have to admit it could become a reality. I don't think we're ready to accept the consequences of the global change, that are only reflected in Obama's foreign policy. It feels like all we knew about the world's security balances and guarantees has become irrelevant. Whether this change makes NATO irrelevant, that remains to be seen, but if the approach you outlined is to prevail, it will leave quite a few conutries in deep trouble.
 
Alexander Josef Pilic

September 22, 2009

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I agree with Donald Stadler that Europeans in general do not always appreciate US efforts to defend Western territory and interests even if it saves them from doing the sometimes dirty work. To suggest that the US abandons NATO structures to whatever degree is harmful to vital national interests because Washington would lose influence and allies. There have always been differences between NATO members even with an agressive Soviet Union at the European door-step. Nevertheless, eventually we won the Cold War!

I think that Russia and the US were already strategic adversaries when the first still had a csar and the latter was still isolationist. With the rise of Nazi-Germany the conflict between democracy and totalitarism became imminent. The US joined forces with the lesser evil for a time but after 1945 it became obvious that Stalin was as dangerous as Hitler. I would say that the hostilities between the US and the SU emerged because Stalin wanted to conquer Europe in the name of communism and the Americans limited his sphere of influence.

After the end of the Cold War, many Russians still cling to their "glorious" communist past, China, North Korea and Cuba still promote their versions of communism and Iran and numerous Islamist terrorists join the anti -western choir. I do not see any even strategic partnerships developing with those players because the political systems are not compatible with our democracies.

Europe seems to be out of the game but this is mainly because it does not speak with one voice and there is no military force behind it. Rather than building up this military force it is much smarter to integrate existing forces into NATO, and the Americans need NATO to form coalitions in order to spread and defend democracy. Undoubtedly, NATO's role and character is changing but it is not dead nor useless.

Coming back to the missile defense, Secretary Gates reiterated in a NYT article that the implementation of those structures is still on the table and that the new plan might even be more functional than the old one. Nevertheless, Mr. Lawson's comments touch a sensitive area especially for Poles and Czechs because Obama might send a wrong (weak) signal towards Russia instead of staking the claims.
 
Jacques  COULARDEAU

September 22, 2009

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Really?
You wrote: « In 1939 alone, both nations were overrun by powerful neighbors while the "Great Powers" dithered. »
Are you comparing Obama with Chamberlain or Ramadier?
Ah Ah!
But then who is Hitler in the story?
Of course Stalin is Putin, that is well known, since they even reinstalled a quotation of Stalin in one underground station in Moscow.
These abandoned ballistic equipment in Poland and the Czech Republic were aimed at Iran.
Ah Ah! again!
That was a pretext. It is high time to get out of the bush and become realistic. There is no agreement if there is no concession on both sides. After so many years of deaf obstinacy, it is high time that we get out of that stubbornness and go back to the negociation table, not by putting other people under duress but by showing what we intend to do: disarm, disarm, disarm and disarm again. Europe, eastern or western, has to become one unified conglomerate with a decently elected president, not an appointed "Dagonet" as Ben Jonson would call him, and then Europe, eastern as well as western, has to learn how to speak with one voice and one mouth, and stop being highly hypocritical about the gas that disappeared in Ukraine, and about Georgia that is led by a megalomaniac re-imported leader.
You seem to be afraid of Russia that should be kept in the position of a political and diplomatic dwarf. That is not feasible and Obama's realistic approach is by far more acceptable than the provacative approach of the bushman. After all Buchenwald and Auschwitz were not exactly done by the Americans and were not the consequence of the yellow stomach, or is it belly if not bellybutton, of the US but of the lack of courage of England and France, along with the expansionism of Germany, coming as the result of AT THE VERY LEAST ONE CENTURY OF ANTI GERMAN POLITICS IN EUROPE. And an anti Russian policy would be just as dramatic and catastrophic.
At least every single time I visited Buchenwald, or Ravensbruck I thought of people like Simone Weil, Henri Krasucki, Marcel Paul (a Jew, a Pole, a Frenchman and two communists). They were fighting against the nazis and against the collaborating French authorities for a unified Europe. Russia is part of that Europe and it would be wise all Europeans started to think Europe as going from the Atlantic to the Ural, as de Gaulle used to say, and with the big appendix of Siberia.
I could not agree more with Obama on these points: dropping this ballistic investment in Europe and scrapping away as many nuclear weapons as possible and getting out of Iraq as fast as possible, and reexamining and reevalutating the policy in Afghanistan, and I hope that too is going to move towards some kind of pulling out.
Dr Jacques COULARDEAU
 
Johannes  Langer

September 22, 2009

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What I am suprised about is the fact that the missile system was not intended against Russia but rather to protect the West against a possible attack from Iran!

Obviously, some in the Czech Republic and Poland were happy about this project - although in their eyes it was all about Russia and they did not care much about Iran. As quite some countries in CEE are afraid of the Russian Federation, I do understand their reaction. Nonetheless, I don't get the author's point because as some others criticized rightly already before me: This is Cold War thinking. We need new approaches or adapt those which are available - but not remain where we have been 20 years ago.
 
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September 22, 2009

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I was thinking that the idea to put some hardware on the borders was left to Cold War era but then it poppet up again in this article. Three comments:

1) speaking about defense aspect the new US strategy - using missile boats instead of fixed missile base - is probably as good if not better alternative.
2) from political aspect Obama's initiative may develop some US/Russia dialogue so what's wrong with that.
3) from regional aspect I remember that a quite big part of population in Poland and Czech Republic were against missile shield so not so bad news for them too.
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September 23, 2009

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As an American living in Europe, this is pretty much the first action of President Obama that I agree with. Why should the US continue to guarrantee the security of a wealthy region that can take care of itself?
 
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September 23, 2009

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I would like to say that our readings on the recent policy of the Obama administration as with regards to the abandonment of missile program in Poland and Check Republic differs depending on where we are and on the way we read what will be be our facts.
For me, I personally say that the "pragmatic" decision last week of the Obama's administration is not and should not be interpreted as abandoning east european countries but rather a balance and calculated US policy in that particular region.

The implimentation of that proposal would only increase Russia's suspecions over US intention in Eastern Europe and could be that of isolating Russian influence there. However, I think, such naive move could result to Russia's effort to seek an alliance more with Iran and perhaps China to counter the balance of power in the region. That would not be beneficial for the United States nor to her allies because it encourages Russia's more assertive and aggressive policy in the region.

Another thing is , it will increase cooperation and military alignment with China, Iran, and perhaps North Korea and therefore the positive prospects of security cooperation among the players in the region is impossible.

This Obama's pragmaticv policy is timing and suggests for diplomacy to play. It also recognizes the important roles Russias could play in any possible peace initiatives in the region. It also from the extreme allows the United States to weaken emerging potential security arrangement between IRan, Russia, China which will balance US influence and power in the region.

Therefore, In concluding this, the Obama's move was intended to

1) neutralize possible Russia's aggressive policy in these countries in the region;
2) neutralize possible military cooperation between Iran, China and Russia;
3) giving way to diplomacy to work its part and lastly
4) weakening Iran's military position in the region.

 
Donald  Stadler

September 23, 2009

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@Nr Pilic

"I agree with Donald Stadler that Europeans in general do not always appreciate US efforts to defend Western territory and interests even if it saves them from doing the sometimes dirty work."

I believed that a few years ago; now my thinking has gone to an entire different level. The vast majority of NATO has been behaving with a focus upon wretched self-interest for a generation now. The US is no longer "Leader of the Free World" - it is time for the country to catch up in the 'wretched self-interest' sweepstakes. If most of Europe can cut defense to the bone because they are no longer on the border, surely the US can cut back it's participation in NATO even more than that - because we are 6000 miles from the Russian border except for the Bering Straits, Alaska, and perhaps our neighbor Canada.

"To suggest that the US abandons NATO structures to whatever degree is harmful to vital national interests because Washington would lose influence and allies. "

We have already lost both allies and influence - judging by the behavior of said allies this past generation. Time for some reciprocity from the US....

"I think that Russia and the US were already strategic adversaries when the first still had a csar and the latter was still isolationist. "

Barely strategic adversaries, back then. Some of the earlier czars had some ambitions in the Pacific Northwest up until the 1820's, but the Seward Purchase of Alaska in 1867 marked the end of positive Russian ambitions in North America. Cuba was a Russian gambit, but Russia would arguably have had little interest in Cuba if the US wasn't in Europe in the 50's and 60's. Not because the Bear was a pacifist but because Russia has far more vital interests much closer to the homeland.

No, the reason the US and Russia are serious adversaries today is Europe, plain and simple.

"With the rise of Nazi-Germany the conflict between democracy and totalitarism became imminent."

Ancient history.

"Stalin wanted to conquer Europe in the name of communism and the Americans limited his sphere of influence. "

Perhaps so, perhaps no. The question(s) today is whether Putin harbors such ambitions, and most relevantly whether he is capable of carrying them out. The answer to the first is possibly, the answer to the second is he could carry such plans out only if Europe (or the US) refused to build their defense to a reasonable level. Even in the absence of a committed US within NATO, Putin would have no realistic chance of conquering Europe unless continental Europe continues their drive to reduce their defenses to nothing. Europe is far more populous, prosperous, and technically advanced than Russia can hope to be.

"the Americans need NATO to form coalitions in order to spread and defend democracy."

In most of Europe 'democracy' sees no need to defend itself. Should the US continue to provide such service gratis? Particularly when most of the material and influential advantages in the past of US participation have been systematically eroded or eliminated?

No. It makes no sense in realpolitik terms for the US. Wake up and smell the coffee, folks. The US has been withdrawing from NATO for at least a decade - Obama's ending the missile interception program is just another step.....
 
Marie-Claude  Corneauster

September 24, 2009

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Marek Swierczynski,

"But the geopolitical reality is such that both Poland and the Czech Republic are safer as loyal members of EU, NATO and allies of the US than alone - and therefore Obama's bitter pill will be swallowed with a smile"

Bravo

Seems that in his discourse at the UN Obama said that he can' "afford" to protect the whole planet anymore, so the Europeans will have to help themselves, cuz, America is gonna recentring on its interests, that are obviously "economical" today, so Hello to a programmed isolationism !

and some Pole are talking of an EUropeanised NATO,and that we ought to NATOise the whole Europe, isn't it what some european countries were aiming for a few years ago, an EU army or an EU NATO, a bit the same goals, excepted that theis new vision will cost less to the EU Nations, and the advantage still is to remain in the Atlantic alliance

http://www.lepetitjournal.com/content/view/47060/1091/

But see who are good friends now :

http://www.rfi.fr/actuen/articles/117/article_5223.asp

Medvedev Says Sanctions Are Inevitable http://bit.ly/ulKJ
the missiles argument seems to have work out in the consensual sense !

uh, Don, still your rotten tooth against France and Germany ?

hmm waters passed through the bridges since 2003
 
Marie-Claude  Corneauster

September 24, 2009

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sorry I ment that Obama CAN'T afford...
 
Donald  Stadler

September 25, 2009

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"uh, Don, still your rotten tooth against France and Germany ?"

Rather less than the average grenoille, Marie..... ;)
 
Marie-Claude  Corneauster

September 25, 2009

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nah, that's what the english papers you're reading are saying, but, here, we know that they practice british humor !
 
Donald  Stadler

September 25, 2009

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The French, they lack a sense of humor, no? ;)
 
Marie-Claude  Corneauster

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not at all just that it is impermeable to the Americans
 

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