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Ethan Christian Arrow

Topic Crouching Tiger, Coward Dragon: The Rise of India and China

Ethan Christian Arrow: The rapid growth of India and China is reshaping the present international order. Representatives of these nations elucidate their intention to replicate the West’s wealth without replacing its established international order. Following such a path, without first securing democratic freedoms and institutions, will however, prove problematic.

In another round of Harvard University's CES Berlin Dialogues, the recent economic rise of China and India was further examined by a line-up of panelists engaged in the debate on the "new ‘New World Order'". Setting the event's overall tone, Professor Yu Bin, a Senior Fellow at the Shanghai Institute of American Studies, accused the West of harboring only anxiety, alarm, and animosity with respect to the rise of non-Western nations. According to Yu, it is not the intention of Asian countries to overthrow the current world order, but rather to become fully integrated members, with hopes to duplicate the wealth enjoyed by those few situated on both sides of the Atlantic.

Referencing charts that compare the chronological order and duration of European and Asian wars, Yu argued that China and India's rise to power has been the most peaceful since the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. Therefore, on a security basis, why should the West fear the rise of Asian, albeit undemocratic, nations? After all, it is the current world of democracies that Yu named the "white nations", which also gave birth to the Crusades, genocides and the two "great European civil wars."

Assailing the general assumption that Europe will be irrelevant in building a new world order in which Asian countries play a critical role, the Washington Bureau Chief for Die Zeit, Martin Klingst, argued that Europe will remain quintessential for nations such as China and India, serving as an example for democratic, regional integration. As a critique of Yu, Klingst maintained that a serious challenge for China's ascension to the international order would be its own altercation with a one-party system. I could not agree more fully.

In stark contrast to Yu's somewhat demagogic positioning of China in its historical and current context, Sujit Dutta of the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi, offered a critical, fact-oriented assessment regarding the conditions and challenges facing India's increasing global role. Confronting a weak infrastructure, overpopulation, and its destabilizing relations with conterminous Islamic populations, India's cooperation with the international community is paramount to its future success.

Considering that India is much more self-sufficient than China- given its domestic, consumption-based production economy and largely vegetarian population- I found it interesting that he was more adamant than Yu on binding itself to a world order based on democratic institutions and human rights. In fact, although India could more comfortably pursue a policy of isolation than China, Dutta named as one of India's formidable strengths its ability to promote a pluralist, integrative society that sets an example to the tumultuous region surrounding its borders.

Regarding bilateral relations between China and India, Yu ended a trite recognition of India's existence as a powerful, ancient Asian culture with a "salute to India!!"; a comment that reminded me more of a black and white film shown in history class than of a respectful acknowledgement of a nation's quintessential neighbor.

So why cannot China do anything right? In his soft-spoken eloquence, Yu almost had the audience laughing by listing the paradoxes of China's recent transgressions; overpopulating and the one-child policy; protectionism and flooding Western markets with cheap products; reluctance to industrialize and crimes against the environment. In all fairness, he had a point, it seems as though China is always disappointing us.

I think, however, Yu has missed the point; a point on which Klingst pinned the donkey's tail; democracy. Ascending to a global order and a global market is creating wealth in China. As this wealth slowly disperses into more hands, more people will request the right to determine its use. This necessitates a society governed by the rule of law, which we now know (thanks to all the lessons of our bloody "civil wars") requires a democratic government, where multiple political parties are able to represent the pluralistic interests of its constituents. It seems like China is accelerating in this market-oriented, thereby democracy-necessitating direction. Perhaps Yu should go back and reread his history of the West, at least from a textbook published under the auspices of free speech.

If China were ever to develop deliberative, democratic institutions, perhaps then a serious debate, pointing out the flawed realities of the system and its needed reform, could ensue. Until then, I guess we could tolerate a bit more one-party rhetoric and presumptuous propaganda. After all, we are the sons and daughters of Henry VII, Napoleon, and Mussolini.

Had I had more time during the Q&A to reflect and pose a really difficult question for professor Yu that I thought might stump him, it would have been something like the following: "Professor Yu, if you could be the government for a day, what would you do differently?"

Ethan Arrow is an editorial intern at the Atlantic Community. He is currently an MA student at the Free University of Berin, studying European Integration within the scope of German Studies.



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Donald  Stadler

June 26, 2008

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Yu has a point. I don't enjoy the demonisation of China which seems to be the fashion du jour.

China fought in Korea in 1950 and with India in 1962. I think there were border clashes with the USSR during the 70's. China swallowed Tibet in 1950 or 1951, but there are more grey areas there than commonly acknowledged in the West in that Tibet had been a province of China for hundreds of years and broke away during the warlords period for less than 50 years. China lost Taiwan to Japanese imperialism (not sure quite when). China has been threatening Taiwan for 50 years now - but has anyone noticed anything obvious yet? They are STILL threatening today - there has been no war.

Then there was Hong Kong, where China exercised patience, made threats, and eventually won back diplomatically. I think they are playing a similar strategy with Taiwan.

Contrast this with the rise of France, Germany, and the US. Or even with the formation of the UK. No lack of bloody wars in any of these. The US had only one majro war but the Civil War was a humdinger.
 
Ilyas M. Mohsin

June 26, 2008

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prof Yu should have replied to the last contemplated question: Hold A Climate Change Day all over China for bringing the subject in to Sharp Focus!
 
Heinrich  Bonnenberg

June 26, 2008

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What you are mentioning was one of the reasons that I have written:
http://www.atlantic-community.org/index/Open_Think_Tank_Article/The...
 
Donald  Stadler

June 27, 2008

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The title of this item is pretty misleading, I think. India a 'Crouching Tiger', China the 'Coward Dragon'?

China has many things wrong with it, but I don't see it as cowardly. Not compared to other countries I could name. 'Patient Dragon' would be far more appropriate. India may be a Crouching Tiger from the Pakistani perspective - but consider the nature of that relationship: Pakistanis have been on the offensive and India the patient one.
 
Ilyas M. Mohsin

June 30, 2008

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India is a big country. It has run a democracy despite terrible glitches.
However, it remains, generally, a basstion of upper castes. The awful poverty and social discrimination in south/east is a stain on her fair name. So is Kashmir which is colonized by billeting six hundred thousand troops. While India has seen fair elections, the ones in Kashmir are always manipulated.
Pakistan has, mainly, the issue of Kashmir with India.
China is a different ball-game. Its progress has been tremendous. Having been turned to socialism by Mao, it can feed its 1.3 billion while people in India, the lowest castes, appear to be condemned to starvation despite the apparent prosperity of the middle-class etc. China and India have had problems in the past but now there is cold-peace between them.
Donald must be great historian to pass such confident judgments which tend to smack of heads I win, tails I lose.
 
Donald  Stadler

June 30, 2008

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Ilyas, that is a bit rich coming from you. You are undoubtably the king of 'confident judgement' around here.

I contrasted China's relatively peaceful rise with a number of comparable powers in the west. As for stains, well both India and China have a few. It's pretty clear to me that China has it's own class divide, perhaps not as set into stone as the Indian caste system but bad enough. And Tibet is analogous to Kashmir,. What is worse - having manipulated elections or none at all, plus lost of immigrants come into your country?

But all nations have warts, certainly all great nations do. Who is innocent? France? Ask the Bretons, the Hugenots, the Cathars, the Provencals, and the Burgundians. Not to mention millions in North Africa and Indochina. The Brits? Ask the Irish, Scots, Indians, Egyptians, etc. The Germans? Ahem. The US? Ask native Americans, Confederates, Negros.

You need to look at the whole picture to come to an understanding. The recent records of China and India are not the worst of them. Whether they will be able to keep it up another generation or three - well that's the question isn't it?
 

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