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Anna  Wojnilko

Does the G8 Need a Redesign?

Anna Wojnilko: Changing economic and political realities are forcing the G8 to rethink its goals, mandate, and membership. The debate on the shape of a potential G8 reform divides the political world. Should the G8 be enlarged to include new major international players or contracted to ensure effectiveness? We invite you to vote.

The Hokkaido summit, which once again belied expectations, and the recent dispute between American presidential candidates as to whether Russia should be excluded from the Group of Eight revived the debate on the possibility of a G8 reform. A recent survey by Colin Bradford of the Brookings Institution reveals that only 15 percent of experts and officials involved with the Group of Eight think that it is providing the "global steering mechanism" they think the world needs. The international press accuses the group of producing "pseudo results" and failing as an agent of global governance. Changing economic reality confronts the G8 with important questions concerning its goals, mandate, and country composition. It seems as though some kind of reform is essential if the G8 is to have a real impact on global developments and tackle the challenges of the twenty-first century. Existing proposals for change can be divided into two main groups.

G8 enlargement

Pro:

  • Many European commentators dismiss the G8 as a "Western talking shop" and call for an enlargement in order to make it more inclusive and representative.
  • Advocates of an enlargement think G8 summits cannot solve global problems as long as the most important emerging economies are missing from the table.
  • Russia has to stay in the G8, and India and China have to join in order to fight nuclear proliferation effectively.

Con:

  • Opponents of this scenario claim that an expansion of the body would completely damage the informal atmosphere of the meetings and opportunity for constructive consultation by world leaders.
  • Moreover, the group has always expanded slowly and one member at a time and so a rapid growth would be an unprecedented, potentially destabilizing, step.
  • Many European commentators point to the fact that none of the potential candidates meet all of the de facto membership criteria such as commitment to open democracy, global reach, and the ability to substitute old-style hard power with civilian non-nuclear power.

G8 contraction

Pro:

  • Those who favour G8 contraction claim that the current format is bloated and unwieldy: despite the group's name, G8 summits currently involve participants from as many as 31 countries and 11 multilateral organizations. What was originally a private meeting of a few world leaders has evolved into an inconclusive, massive public relations event. Smaller gatherings would be much more effective; transaction costs and the number of possible veto points that stop consensus would be reduced.
  • There is no rationale for the representatives of France, Germany, Italy, UK, and EU to appear separately in the group: G8's five European members should be combined and given one seat to simplify the group's proceedings.
  • Rights defenders agree with Senator John McCain who proposes to exclude Russia from the Group of Eight to punish it for restricting political freedoms. For the same reason, China should not be allowed to join.

Con:

  • Skeptics claim this scenario is rather unfeasible: it is difficult to imagine that Germany, France, Italy, and the UK would willingly rid themselves of an independent voice in this powerful group.
  • If the Group of Eight was contracted, its voice on the international scene could get even weaker than it is now and its legitimacy might be questioned.


Below we present the four most prevalent G8 reform scenarios which have been considered. We encourage you to vote on what you think is the best option for the future of the G8. You can now cast a vote on the right hand side of our page.

L20: upgrade the existing G20
This scenario suggests upgrading the G20 - a group created nearly ten years ago which brings together members of the G8, representatives of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, as well as finance ministers of Argentina, Australia, Brazil, China, India, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Indonesia and Turkey, in order to form a new "Leadersgroup," abbreviated L20. The greatest strength of the contingent L20 would be the highly representative nature of its membership: according to Brookings Institution L20 countries would account for 63 percent of the world's population (in contrast to the G8 which currently represents less than 14 percent) and almost 80 percent of global economic output. The L20 would therefore be in a position to tackle global problems.

G13: G8 + the "outreach 5"
Most European commentators agree that the G8 should grant full and permanent membership only to the most important emerging economies: the BRICSAM five (Brazil, India, China, South Africa and Mexico). The Brookings survey by Colin Bradford reveals that 63 percent of experts and officials involved in the international reform favour the G8+5 model. This so called "Outreach 5" has already been included in the G8 discussion on the issues of climate change, clean energy and sustainable development.

G9: leading market democracies
This proposal is based on the perception of the group as a club of leading market democracies: this means countries which roll back political freedoms - Russia or China - should be excluded. In turn, Brazil and India should join the group as full members.

G3: exclusive club
Jim Hoagland of The Washington Post suggests that the US, the EU and Japan should form a G3 which would go back to the original idea of an intimate closed-doors gathering of the most powerful Western and like-minded countries. Claude Barfield of the American Enterprise Institute in his publication "Abolish or Transform It" has suggested an alternative scenario with a G3 involving the United States, the EU and China, which would unite world's three greatest economic powers.

No reform
There is also a strong case that the Group of Eight does not need reforming at all. John Kirton, director of the G8 Research Group at the University of Toronto, claims that for the last 34 years the G8 has been an increasingly effective, responsive, and legitimate agent of global governance and therefore there is no reason to reform it. Those who offer reform strategies in a shotgun fashion, he writes, show little consideration for how coherent and effectual the group is. He also maintains that their proposals are rarely accompanied by in-depth analysis or proof that reform would enhance G8's performance at all.


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Anna Wojnilko holds a Master's degree in British Studies and is currently an editorial intern at atlantic-community.org.

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Tags: | G8 | BRIC | India | China | Russia | Mexico | Brazil | South Africa |
 
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Andreas  Beckmann

July 18, 2008

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I would have liked to vote, but can't: None of the offered choices makes good sense to me.

Closest to what I think makes good sense are, in that descending order "G13", "G3", and "no reform". The question one must answer before re-thinking membership issues is: What should the "G-X" be about? What's its scope and 'jurisdiction'?

Should the G-X discuss only major global macroeconomic issues? - Then probably "G3" plus a representative of the group of countries who currently draw most financial resources from the global economy, and who finance the U.S. account deficit - the major oil exporting countries - would suffice (I can not discuss the difficulty of giving one clear voice to the major oil&gas exporting countries here....).

Should the G-X also discuss other major issues of global concern, i. e. climate change or food supplies, as it is currently doing (and I think it should)? - Then the current G8 plus the "oil&gas exporter representative", plus India, China, and Brasil would be the best choice. That would come close to the "G13"-scenario, but I fail to comprehend why Mexico, and particularly South Africa, should be part of that group.

Should the G-X become a mini-United Nations involving the major countries and discussing everything of even remote economic relevance (I do not believe we should to that)? - Then one might expand the above group to include South Africa, Nigeria, Mexico, Argentina, Indonesia, and several others, including institutions such as the IMF or the World Bank.

To sum it up: First decide on scope and issues, then on membership.
Tags: | G8 | G13 | climate change |
 
Anna  Wojnilko

July 20, 2008

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Thank you for your comment, Andreas.

This short article took the G8 aspirations and scope as given, its aim was to ask the question how to achieve better results in its current endeavours by making changes in membership to acknowledge the shifting powers around the globe.

So do you think the current G8 scope and issues it tackles should be changed? What in your opinion should it be?

I agree with you that the scope and aims of the group should be established first and only then should the G8 consider how to reform itself. However, various memership proposals in a way already reveal their authors’ visions of the group’s role: G3 suggests a clearly economic scope of interest, G13 would stress the cooperation to fight the climate change, the idea behind the G9 clearly goes beyond the economic concerns of the members and somewhat resembles McCain’s idea of the League of Democracies.

I personally favour the G13 scenario. Heads of state of the “outreach 5” have begun to meet as a group at the same time when the G8 summit takes place; this year they held a press conference and issued a joint political declaration calling themselves the “G5″ and promising to “consolidate bilateral relations” and promote Southern agenda (http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=40146). If they keep being left out this cooperation might strengthen further and we risk having two competing groups – representing “the North” and “the South”. And if we believe Goldman Sachs predictions for the future – we will be better off having them on our side.

As to your doubts concerning the choice of Mexico and South Africa as candidates for the potential G13: according to Goldman Sachs in 2050 Mexico will be the sixth strongest economy in the world, ahead of any European country and outstripped only by China, the US, India, Japan, and Brazil. The case for South Africa is admittedly weaker but it is still by far the strongest economy on the African continent, it has also taken steps to strengthen its democracy. Considering that one of the greatest challenges of the twenty-first century is the problem of poverty, hunger, malaria and AIDS in Africa, having SA – an emerging leader among the African countries – in the G8 could help tackle these challenges.

Tags: | Mexico | South Africa | G8 | G13 |
 
Michael  Schuster

July 21, 2008

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Of course, the professor from Canada does not consider a reform of the G8 necessary.
Canada would lose the most from all of the discussed reform proposals.

The G8 is the only organization where Canada is a prominent member.
 
Andreas  Beckmann

July 21, 2008

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Anna,

I agree with you both on the appropriate scope ('jurisdiction') of the G-X and on your assessment, that the G-13 is probably the best (if one were restricted to others' proposals).

Still I have doubts about Mexico and South Africa, and would therefore prefer a G11+ (the plus representing the major oil billionaire countries, as outlines above). It should deal with major global economic issues plus climate change (which is of major economic concern, anyway), and the food prices (which also is much more than a humanitarian concern). AIDS, Malaria, and so on are, IMHO, no issues the G-X should also address.

With all due respect of Goldman Sachs: It is beyond bold to make such a prediction on Mexico's relative economic weight in 42 years from today.

South Africa has recently failed to address any of the problems one hoped it could help address in Southern Africa, its attitude towards the Mugabe regime being nothing less than a major scandal. Moreover, I do not see any progress in its internal struggle for democracy, rather the contrary. The post-Mandela South Africa is one great disappointment, to the outside world as well as to most of its own people. RSA merely (still) being the "largest economy on the continent" would imply that Australia should be incorporated into the "G-X", too. Actually, I'd rather see Australia there than South Africa.

@ Michael: I think Canada is no less a "prominent member" in NATO or the OSCE (or NAFTA) than it is in the G8. And Canada's most laudable engagement in Afghanistan shows how much it is willing to commit in order to remain an important international partner. Moreover, Canada's relative economic weight is increasing.
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Michael  Schuster

July 21, 2008

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@ Andreas

G8 is a more exclusive club than NATO or the OSCE (does the OSCE still exist? WTF are they doing these days?)

"Moreover, Canada's relative economic weight is increasing."

Really?
But China and India's economy is already much bigger than Canada. That's all that counts, isn't it? Canada is 13th in GDP PPP, while India is 4th and China as the 2nd rank.

 
Donald  Stadler

July 21, 2008

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The author leaves out one option, the one which is actually being pursued - replace it. Allow the G8 to remain a PR/marching venue - quality entertainment for the molotov-tossers. It no longer means much - the world has moved on. It cannopt be reduced because that would hurt too many feelings. Expanding it will make it into just another bullshit international mega-conference. So go ahead and expand it - it means nothing today and expansion will perhaps buff some egos while meaning nothing.

The real deals are going on elsewhere - bilateral dealings and such.
 
Donald  Stadler

July 22, 2008

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Herr Schuster took an unwarranted cheap shot at Canada. Canada is a small population country, but Canada has done far more to help out than say - Germany, for example. Or France, Spain, Italy. Perhaps we ought to consider dropping Germany and France from the G-8 before we start with Canada? On the basis of demonstrated capacity rather than potential?
 
Michael  Schuster

July 23, 2008

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@ Donald

What has Canada done to stabilize the finanial markets in the wake of the US credit crunch?

Sorry, but Canada is just too small economically.
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Donald  Stadler

July 24, 2008

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Ahem. What has Germany done to stabilize the markets? Or France, UK, Japan....

Why pick on Canada, which at least has punched above it's weight in Afghanistan, Africa, and other peacekeeping venues. Unlike most European countries with three times the population, I could add.
 
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July 25, 2008

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Donald, why do you always bring the purpose to what we, could or should do for the US geopolitical ambition ?

The US are a continent, Europe is another continent that ha a long history of geopolitical influences.

Too bad if Europe still has its private fields in Africa. I don't see how France, even UK were/are absent there : our army never left that continent until now ; ok, I see your arguments coming : because we are supposed to be a (post) colonial empire . OK, it's easier for us to be there because of the language and our former ties. Though I didn't see much of US troops or even canadians troops there, though needed to prevent that the populations erradicate themselves from each others. ie Darfur, Chad, Central Africa, yes, Ivory Coast, ex belgian Congo... don't remind me a famous genocide, please, unfortunately the US troops were also there.... supporting also a belligerent faction

I don't count the money that EU left in those countries either

So, if you don't see that as a stabilization ambition. , of course they aren't free markets, but those "helped" countries wouldn't have anything to buy, if we weren't there, because they wouldn't exist anymore
 
Donald  Stadler

July 26, 2008

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Francie, I think many Europeans have an increasing tendency toward navel-gazing - talking as exclusively as possible to their European counterparts & grudgingly to the US.

The cheap shots taken at Canada are a perfect example. Canada is as good an 'international citizen' as exists on the planet. It's a 'full-spectrum' power (albeit a small one) capable and willing to contribute to solving ALL the international problems. Unlike Germany and (I fear) France, though this may be changing because of Sarko. Germany has more 'troops' in Afghanistan than Canada (3000+ to about 2200) but in actual combat roles the canadians outnumber the Germans almost 10-1 and the French perhaps 2-1.

As you point out this is a US geopolitical concern, not a European one. Well, obviously! Is this illegitimate somehow? It must be so, our European 'friends' obviously think so - and they are never wrong!

Sorry. It appears that Canada makes a real effort to help solve every global problem which appears, whether it's combat, peacekeeping, economic stability, environmental, or aid to poor countries. It has a better record than any European country I know of and a better record than the US on some of these issues.

Until continental Europe does better I suggest no more cheap shots at the poor Canadians, please. They don't deserve it even though they made trouble for the GHerman and French about Afghanistan last fall. They were right - Germany and Frane were in the wrong.
 
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July 26, 2008

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"I think many Europeans have an increasing tendency toward navel-gazing - talking as exclusively as possible to their European counterparts & grudgingly to the US."

weren't we ordonned to shut up by your actual administration, that only wanted servile alliees ?

denying the whole history background that the European countries had in world wide.

Well, as far as Canada is the concerned subject, I would say that it's an american solidarity affair , that the Europeans so far don't contest
 
Donald  Stadler

July 27, 2008

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"weren't we ordonned to shut up by your actual administration, that only wanted servile alliees ?"

Funny, I don't recall that at all, Francie. Do you have documentation of Bush saying only 'servile allies'?

No, it seems to me tht things were rather the other way around - the US was forbidden to act in response to the terrorist attacks and forbidden to take any actions to back up the UN resolutions which had been completely ignored by Saddam - with the complete backing of Chirac and Elf Acquitaine. That war was all about oil? Well sure it was - in the French geopolitical strategy! Saddam gave the French advantageous oil contracts & suddenly Chirac does a volte-face and turns on the US.

It will be a long time before a US president trusts France even a little after that foul maneuver.
 
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July 27, 2008

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Donald then you have a selective memory

"either your are with us OR against us"

http://www.clio.fr/BIBLIOTHEQUE/histoire_et_geopolitique_du_petrole...

try to translate that piece of history ; instead of what your believing, the Anglo-saxons Cies were majoritary present in the aeras

and It's because Irak was selling his oil at a too lower price, that the beloved Bush family's friends, the Saudi, complained and that your oil companies couldn't make the benefit they provisionned in their accounts.. It's one of the raisons why the first golf war occured..

As far as Chirac or Elf-Aquitaine backing assomption in the second war, that is what your government propaganda well served in the MSM. You know perfectly there are no tangible proof of that. Otherwise, your country was also dealing avantageously there either, as also 200 Cies across world-wide..

France doesn't nead a trust from your country, we have proven that we can manage our living without it since de Gaulle.

Don, if you have an irrefutable source, ok, till then I have more sources in store for you, if you desire to watch them.
 
Donald  Stadler

July 28, 2008

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No translation required, Franchie. I got "this web page does not exist", no doubt a sneaky CIA plot of some kind.
 
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July 28, 2008

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funny I have it whenever I want to read it, if you say that's a CIA plot, then you must be right :lol:

Though I suppose you wanted to be ironical there, then it's cheap
 

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