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Wess  Mitchell

How America Should Respond to Resurgent Russia

Wess Mitchell: The United States should announce its intention to transfer the entire Europe-based American military establishment to new locations in Central Europe, because many of the EU’s largest states are more interested in avoiding a rupture with Moscow than in protecting the vital interests of the Union’s eastern members.

Crises, so the saying goes, have a nasty way of exposing pretensions. The Russian invasion and occupation of the republic of Georgia exposed the pretension that the United States is capable of effectively underwriting the security of small, isolated powers in Russia's backyard. In singling out Georgia - America's longtime regional protégé - Moscow employed a tactic that is as old as geopolitics itself: humbling a small-power proxy to demonstrate the impotence of its Great-Power patron. Distracted by two simultaneous land wars, a rapidly-arming Iran and a deepening economic crisis, there is little the United States can do to alter Russian behavior.

For the first time in living memory, a US ally has been forced to endure sustained humiliation in full view of the international community without an effective counter-move by Washington. In Georgia, American weakness - and with it, the fiction of unipolarity - has been laid bare for the world to see. Now Washington faces an unfamiliar predicament: we cannot afford to divert scarce US power assets to a part of the world that is now demonstrably beyond our strategic reach, but we also cannot afford to do nothing.

Should the United States allow the crisis to pass with only a symbolic rebuke, two far-reaching consequences will follow:

  1. Other former Soviet captive nations, including those in Central Europe, will begin to doubt America's ability to act as a credible security guarantor and

  2. Russia will be emboldened to repeat its tactic elsewhere.


A dangerous cycle could ensue in which US allies feel a sharpened security dilemma and Russia continually tests the limits of its local power position. The net result could be that the vital strategic middle ground between Russia and Europe could gradually come back "into play" for the first time in two decades.

This would not be in the US national interest. While the centrality of Georgia to key American interests may be, as some US commentators allege, debatable, the importance of Central Europe is not. Of the three occasions in the past century when America has been pulled into global conflicts, all originated in the 800-mile strip of land between the Baltic and Black Seas. Only when this region, and with it, the eastern flank of NATO, are unambiguously in the Western ambit can America confidently turn its attention away from Europe and deal from a position of strength with issues further afield.

In an ideal world, the United States would be able to count on the European Union to quell disturbances in what is, after all, Europe's own strategic hinterland. However, as recent events have shown, many of the EU's largest states are more interested in avoiding a rupture with Moscow than in protecting the vital interests of the Union's eastern members.

When Russia launched a cyber attack on Estonia last summer, the EU failed to issue a meaningful response. When Russia threatened to aim nuclear weapons at Poland and the Czech Republic for cooperation on US missile defense, the EU said nothing. And when Russia invaded Georgia, eastern leaders were shocked to find their Western neighbors reluctant, not only to back proposals for a tough EU response, but to assign blame in the conflict at all.

If a convincing message is to be sent to Moscow, it will have to come from the United States. Perhaps it's too late even for that. Perhaps the majority of analysts are right that America - distracted, out-maneuvered and over-stretched - is no longer capable of a tough response.

But perhaps not. There is one option that has not been discussed that could help to shift the diplomatic playing-field to the West's favor. The United States should announce its intention to transfer, on a permanent basis, the entire Europe-based American military establishment to new locations in Central Europe. This should include the EUCOM headquarters and the bulk of the US Seventh Army and Third Air Force - upwards of 60,000 troops. Ideally, these forces and facilities would be distributed between the three largest and most Atlanticist eastern states - Poland, the Czech Republic and Romania - thus covering the northern, southern and central approaches to the region.

As draconian as such a measure might sound, it would offer at least two significant advantages over the other options that are being discussed.

  1. It would alter the actual power reality on the ground in the region. Most of the other options tried or talked about - referring Russia to the UN Security Council, canceling joint Russia-NATO military exercises, expelling Russia from the G-8 - are "prestige penalties," none of which would outweigh the enhanced power status that Moscow achieved by initiating its offensive to begin with. Russia's move was power-political; so too must be the response. By advancing US military assets one square closer to the geostrategic fault-line (as we did by placing American bases in Germany during the Cold War), Washington would demonstrate Western seriousness and force Moscow to think long and hard before attempting another show of force.

  2. Signaling our intention to shift US bases eastward would provide a much-needed injection of confidence for US allies in the region, both in and out of NATO. The "demonstration effect" that Russia has so far managed to produce must not be allowed to stick. A demonstration of equal or greater magnitude must be made, and soon. Already, Washington's meager response has led to renewed calls in Warsaw for a bilateral US security pledge over and above Article V. Allowing these jitters to spread could open a geopolitical can of worms that would be very difficult to shut. By launching basing talks with key eastern allies, the United States would send an unmistakable message that we are, and intend to remain, a force to be reckoned with in the region - a perception that, despite Central European membership in NATO, is beginning to slip.


An eastward shift in Europe's strategic center-of-gravity is long overdue. For years, Pentagon planners have talked about the benefits that would accrue from the placement of military installations in Central Europe, not only in the immediate vicinity but in the nearby Middle East as well. Accordingly, we have sought "lily pad" bases in Romania and Bulgaria and missile defense sites in the Czech Republic and Poland (the latter of which, as of yesterday, has been jolted out of its months-long torpor into signing an agreement). The crisis in Georgia should be seen as confirmation of this instinct and provide an impetuous to continuing and accelerating the process.

Obviously, attempting to transfer US forces eastward would be a lengthy, expensive and negotiation-laden undertaking. It might not work. And even it does, it is a long-term fix that would not save Georgia from its immediate travails. However, the very act of announcing that we are contemplating such a move, by demonstrating US seriousness, creativity and commitment to the region, would help to strengthen the Western negotiating position at a moment when it is risibly weak.

In retrospect, the Georgian crisis is likely to be seen as the first in a series of friction-points in the transition to global multipolarity. It therefore matters how we acquit ourselves in the crisis. While we cannot continue the process of geopolitical expansion that brought us into Georgia, we also cannot precipitously retract. We must make intelligent use of the power assets at our disposal to consolidate our position and strengthen the disincentives against de-stabilizing Russian moves in the future. Doing so could help to ensure that, when the next crisis arises, we are able - unlike today - to deal with Moscow from a position of strength.

Wess Mitchell is a member of the board of Atlantic Initiative U.S. He is director of research at The Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA), a research institute dedicated to the study of Central Europe.

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Unregistered User

August 16, 2008

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If we follow Mr. Mitchel’s policies, the humankind will experience another full-scale world war, possibly annihilation, and very soon. A wounded bear will bite, and it’s difficult to blame him.

For Russia, it’s a matter of survival now. She has already been cornered by reckless US policies. Many in Russia believe that the US, by arming Georgia to the teeth and by talking tough against Russia, encouraged Saakashvili to attack (using American bullets against Russian peacekeepers). It’s astonishing to see that US policymakers still fail to see the grave seriousness of the issue.
 
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August 16, 2008

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Mr. Wess Mitchell,
It amazes me that the director of a research institute dealing with Central European policy could ever come up with such a crazy, infatuated, and absurd idea as the one cited in the above treatise. Thank God that people outside your “scientific establishment” think otherwise. Your “thesis” indicates of a serious diagnose, a critical sign of mental inadequacy to put things mildly. You assume that by rearranging and reshuffling American military forces in and around Europe, and in particular bringing them nearer to Russian borders is something that would frighten Russia. I dare say you are right, but I should add that both Europeans and Americans would be placed in the same “honourable” situation praying to God ever day that none of you institute staff members get anywhere close to pressing buttons or any Russian politician takes your “spunky game” too earnestly. I dare say that this cold war deliberation deserves any more comment.
 
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August 16, 2008

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Reading the comments above I can only imagine the authors yearn for a return to the Gulags. Such apologists for Russian expansionism are never able to explain the "threat" that the democratically elected governments of Russia's neighbors present.
In their world Russia will only feel "secure" if surrounded by Lukashenko type regimes.
Russia's paranoia should not be able to dictate the choices of it's neighbors.
( To the previous writer's: Please continue to espouse the KGB, excuse me FSB , talking points.)
 
Marek  Swierczynski

August 16, 2008

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Relax, gentlemen, please. Do not change this forum into any other online forum, in which attacks on one-another dominate over the discussion on the substance. As I wrote before, everyone who has made it here, should be allowed to express and publish his or her views freely. But commets should regard only the substance, not personalities of the authors. Now to the substance: a very courageous vision, Mr Mitchell, and probably one some of us would wish to happen, but how realistic? Is any of the two contenders in the US election ready to take that hard stance against Russia now? I think not, even if one of them calls himself a Georgian. And it is not only Russia that may see American military movin across Europe as a hostile step. China wouldn't be happy as well, and I do not see any will to destabilize the delicate balance in US-China relations on the American side. Otherwise, would George W.Bush have visited Beijing Games with such a broad smile as he in fact had done it? And who said any additional new USbases in Central and Eastern Europe would be welcome? The US have lost a lot on their credibility over Iraq and CIA secret detention spots, to name just two of a whole bunch of issues. In case of Poland there are more. Maybe Georgia was the last moment to rethink the situation and make some repairs. But to conclude that the future is bright, once we let more Americans in the CEE - that is an overstatement.
 
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August 16, 2008

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Dear Jeff,
For your notice, I was “accommodated” in Siberia together with my parents by “authorities” for quite a number of years, so I imagine I know just a little bit more about Gulags and KGB than you can imagine. But nevertheless, that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t join you in a jaunt to Guantanama, they say the climate is not too bad, and that American style Gulag is definitely no match to the unsanitary conditions that I had to stomach, though I heard they still handle you just as ungraciously.
But as Marek, the gentleman above most rightfully remarked, let’s keep to the topic and comment on the article and leave the Gulags, KGB, whatever till we return from our didactic trip to Cuba.

From Russia, Siberia Valentine Akishkin

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August 16, 2008

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Fair enough gentlemen. I just detected too much of a thread of Russia as victim. They are still a quite powerful nation in comparison to their Georgian neighbors.
Given America's ability to deal fairly successfully with most of their military opponents over the last 15 years, if Georgia was acting as some sort of proxy for US hegemony over Russia, I seriously doubt the results on the ground would be what they are.
Marek, I think Mr. McCain would prove a worthy opponent of Mr Putin. Mr Obama would be eaten alive by the Russian Prime Minister.
Valentine, I'm no fan of Gitmo, but I'm sure your family has very little in common with the individuals being held there and it's an unfair comparison. Your family were victims, these people are truly dangerous.
( By the way, all due respect to Mr Putin for reviving his country's pride. Just please stop with the excuse of "external threat's" from the West. Let's not take our collective eyes off the true threat to all civilized countries; Radical Islamic Fundamentalism!)

Jeff
 
Heinrich  Bonnenberg

August 16, 2008

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The CEPA Center for European Policy Analysis domiciled in Washington, US, is joking!

But sorry, the joke is really cringe-making. Firstly the joke shows us Europeans and the world in East and West the helplessness of US politics and secondly the joke is old, having been already told by Mr. Rumsfield, years ago trying to press all Europeans to participate in Bush’s Iraq lie and Iraq debacle, fortunately without success concerning my country and some others, partly due to our great chancellor Gerhard Schröder.

The goal of Mr. Rumsfield is well known. But what is the ambition of the Center for European Policy Analysis and its sponsors subsidizing this group? Who are the sponsors?

Time seems to be come that the form and substances of US politics have to be adapted to reality of today and of future. Will the leading plutocratic clan behind everything in US allow such changes, at last?

We Europeans, mainly the youth in our 46 countries, all being thankful for their long history and high culture, will go ahead to establish a 700 million people group with market, social equity, technology, energy, science, culture, environmental behavior and historical memory to become a strong competitor for Far East, Far South and Far West. The future Europe will comprehend EU plus Russia plus Ukraine (mentioning the three biggest) plus some smaller, but also very important others.

We Europeans do not need any senseless advice, even not by joke. And jokes like CEPA's rash words are very dangerous as they push ahead the procedure of isolation of US. It is nonsense to follow up a self-isolating of US, calculated or unintended. US is part of our culture and at least of Germany's last 60 years history with almost 30 years cruel iron curtain wall in my country between East and West, in the center of Berlin, 500 m distance from the place I am writing this comment.
We do not like any kind of "Ami go home", provoked by whomever and whatever. CEPA's joke is exactly provoking such attitude!

 
Heinrich  Bonnenberg

August 16, 2008

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It is of interest:

Former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder's interview in DER SPIEGEL:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,572483,00.html
 
Ari  Rusila

August 17, 2008

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Thank you Mr.Mitchell. If US foreign policy is based to analysis made by CEPA ( a research institute dedicated to the study of Central Europe) I now understand why United States policy in the Balkans has been dysfunctional, characterized by cynicism, duplicity and short term tactical gain and at world level as series of strategical errors.
 
Heinrich  Bonnenberg

August 17, 2008

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European people do not want that things which are happening in the backyard sheds of other countries, mainly of the big ones, negatively influence our European development. That is also a main reason that we are so much interested in justice and human rights everywhere, in Europe, in Africa, in America, in Asia, in Australia.

Having done so many unacceptable things since centuries and remembering them all, old Europe should finally show the world how to handle minority problems and the occasional wishes for interdependence, certainly not by military or massive police instruments.
Old Europe with its historical memory has to act as an example, even being pressurized by provocation.
 
Donald  Stadler

August 17, 2008

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"so much interested in justice and human rights everywhere"

In Georgia? In Ukraine?

And what about the 'European Values' which Putin espouses so well?
 
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August 18, 2008

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I appreciate the spirited comments that AC readers have posted in response to my article. Several concerns have been raised, some of which are serious, most of which are not. I’d like to take a minute to address what I believe is the most important intellectual objection that could be offered to my idea of shifting U.S. military assets eastward – e.g., Vladas’ concern that it would provoke Russian counter-measures and lead to a dangerous escalation in the current crisis.

This is a fair objection and one that needs to be weighed carefully by U.S. policymakers. As Vladas points out, U.S. actions to this point – arming the Georgian military, supplying it with advisors, and encouraging the perception (through both formal and informal channels) that Saakashvili would enjoy active U.S. sponsorship in the event of a crisis – have been powerful contributors and accelerants to the present imbroglio. I am on record as having discouraged this U.S. behavior. On the Atlantic Community website this past spring, I weighed in against Georgian (and Ukrainian) membership in NATO. "The placement of two states this size, location and geopolitical complexion under the Article V guarantee,” I wrote, “would represent a heavy responsibility for the Alliance. Is NATO prepared to permanently underwrite the national security of these two states? At this juncture in the Alliance's history, Ukraine and Georgia are a bridge too far."

My concern at that time was the same as Vladas’: that, by signaling the artificial placement of Georgia – a small state that history and geography have positioned squarely within the Russian ambit – beneath the Western security umbrella, U.S. leaders would needlessly provoke a reinvigorated Russia whose support it desperately needs on issues of foremost concern, like Iran. Such a move would “court disaster.” An offer of MAP, I feared, would provoke Russia to bold and impetuous moves – moves that the United States, in its current over-extended condition (see my Atlantic Community article with John C. Hulsman) lacked the geopolitical wherewithal to answer.

For reasons other than my advice or the native wisdom of U.S. policy elites, no MAP was offered. I breathed a sigh of relief. I remember thinking about Bismarck’s famous quote about there being a Special Providence that “protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America.” Thank God we had not extended an already-porous umbrella to a place where America had few obvious interests.

But Russia invaded Georgia anyhow. I had feared that Russian aggression would follow as a matter of course from Western provocation. As it turned out, it came as a matter of Russian calculation. Did U.S. policy contribute? Certainly. We should never have encouraged Georgia – a state where few discernible U.S. interests are at stake – to show such cheek. Should it go to far, what could we ever do to support it?

But we did encourage it. And now we are where we are. Are Georgia or the Caucasus or Central Asia of vital strategic importance to the United States? I would argue not. I’m not sure that I could make such a case to a Texan or a South Dakotan. But Central Europe is. Why? Because when this region is not stable, bad things tend to follow for the United States. In 1914, instability there drew Americans into the First World War. In 1939, instability there drew Americans into the Second World War. And in 1946, instability there drew Americans into the Cold War.

I would like to prevent instability in Central Europe a fourth time. Unfortunately, in light of Russia’s recent actions, I fear that the unprecedented stability this region has enjoyed as a result of its membership in NATO and the European Union will not persist if current events are allowed to follow their normal course. I believe that Central Europeans are justified in their fear that their region will once again be coerced – largely because of Western European lassitude, Mr. Bonnenberg – back into the Russian orbit (See” East Europe tries to protect itself from Russia: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gI-dl13xRlpQ8Bwi-xglbKfzmvYAD92J...).

Moscow has demonstrated its willingness to use force – real force, the kind of force that kills people – to prove its paramountcy over a former satellite.

Perhaps it would never repeat this tactic in Central Europe. But after the invasion of Georgia, I have a new-found respect for what Russia says. And Russia says it considers Poland and the Czech Republic – both sovereign states with membership in NATO and the EU – legitimate targets for its next military demonstration. This is not what I, an analyst in Washington, say. This is what leaders in Moscow say.

So when Vladas warns of the West appearing too provocative toward Russia, I am not worried. I am not worried, as he is, that “humankind will experience another full-scale world war, possibly annihilation, and very soon” if the U.S. seeks to shift its bases. Invading a sovereign nation with declared affinity for a rival nuclear power – that’s provocative. Making repeated public threats to aim atomic weapons at members of NATO – that’s provocative. But opening talks on the stationing of troops on the soil of sovereign Central European powers with whom the United States participates in a standing military alliance – that’s not provocative. Certainly not as provocative as some of the commentators above make out. With the brief exception of the Cold War, most of these states have not, unlike Georgia, been part of Russia’s natural historical “sphere of influence.” So why should Russia feel provoked?

The point of my article was not that America should move troops eastward immediately. Even if we wanted to do so, it would take years. Rather, my point is that we should (noisily) make this our stated aim. As I point out in the article, by merely announcing that this is our intention, Washington would be able to establish in the minds of Russia’s leaders that it is willing and capable of actions that Moscow doesn’t like unless it ceases behavior that Washington doesn’t like – behavior which, unlike any talk of base relocations, is costing human lives.
 
Joerg  Wolf

August 18, 2008

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Here are the two Atlantic Community articles Wess Mitchell is referring to:

Supporting Ukraine, but Worrying About Russia
Atlantic Community SURVEY: 23 European and US policy analysts and our members express stronger support for Ukraine’s NATO aspirations than witnessed at the Bucharest Summit. Advocacy for fast NATO enlargement correlates with geographic proximity to Russia.
http://atlantic-community.org/index/Open_Think_Tank_Article/Support...

The Godfather' Doctrine
John C. Hulsman and A. Wess Mitchell: Coppola’s film offers lessons in diplomacy that we can’t refuse. Rather than the liberal institutionalist and neoconservative policies of the last two decades, the next US administration should adopt a flexible realist approach to deal with the challenges of a multipolar world.
http://atlantic-community.org/index/Open_Think_Tank_Article/%27The_...
 
joe  stone

August 18, 2008

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Wess,

We are in agreement about the need for the US to redeploy its forces in Europe. We are in disgreement as to the direction. You want them moved eastward and I want them to move west, as in to the United States.

The US should withdraw from Europe until such time as the Europeans take their security seriously. They don't and have not for a long time.

I am sure the members of the chocolate summit can devise a treaty which will make the Central European nations feel secure.
 
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August 18, 2008

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Joe -- I'm sympathetic to your view. However, I believe that if we were to withdraw our forces from Europe altogether, as for example Stephen Walt argues in a recent book, a future generation of U.S. leaders would have to send them right back. They can stay as a preventative or return as a corrective; either way, it is our fate to remain a European power. That being the case, I'd rather stay. But if we're going to do that, let's use the forces we have there more wisely. As Ron Asmus points out in an oped in today's Wall Street Journal ("NATO's Hour: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121900703869747813.html?mod=rss_opi...), we've resisted permanently redeploying U.S. military assets to the east in the period since the Cold War on the logic that this act of self-restraint would be seen as a confidence-building move in Moscow. As he points out, this logic no longer applies. I agree with Asmus that we should begin to consider injections of "infrastructure and reinforcements" into this region. The difference between his argument and mine is that he wants these deployments to remain symbolic for now. Maybe he's right - this might be the wiser, less provocative course for the time being. However, over the long-term, I think we will eventually have to confront the need for a heavier U.S. committment to this region to prevent it from becoming a geopolitical vaccuum again. What both articles point to is the reality that, in order to be effective, the U.S. response to the Georgia crisis has to include an increased Western military investment in NATO's eastermost members.
 
joe  stone

August 18, 2008

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Wess

This is same argurment the Hertigate Foundation uses. It fails just as you have.

The question is why would we want to return to Europe at some point in the future once we leave. I would like to read your answers.

You labor of under some conception that the Europeans are so how our allies. (The exception being the Brits). That assumption is equally false. Look at the anti-Americaism displayed not only by the euro elites but their populations. Note the support we are receiving from nations like germany, france, spain, Italy, etc. in any threater of operations the US is currently engaged in.





 
joe  stone

August 19, 2008

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Wess,

To add to my previous comment, your position implies the European are not capable of providing for their own defense. Is this really your position?

As they (the Europeans) like to point out they have a GDP greater than that of the US; their population is greater; the distribution of income is fairer; they have better health care, etc. All the while many member nations of the EU want to replace NATO. This group is lead by germany and france with enabling help from spain and the other members of the chocolate summit.

Withdrawing US forces from Europe will surely answer many questions the US will face going forward. Is Europe serious about its own defense or not. There actions to this simple question should result in a realistic US policy toward Europe. The operative word here is "actions". Europeans confuse words for actions.

If in fact, the Europeans are serious about their own defense by the actions they take, then in fact this would strengthen trans-Atlantic relations and mutual defense, not weaken them.
 
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August 19, 2008

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Dear Gentlemen,
I think the main aim of this site is to resolve problems and not engrave them, so I am allowing myself to a little ideating.
Presently, the situation is such, that although NATO is a huge potentially powerful military block consisting of 27 member states, the consolidating element remains the US. Without the US the remaining countries, though exceeding the US in its GDP do not constitute a serious military force, due to their disunity, diversity of interests, poorly coordinated military infrastructure, if we may even talk of any serious infrastructure comparable to what Russia and the US have developed. This was clearly evidenced in mutual operations while assaulting Serbia. 95% of the operations were carried out by US forces, whereas the other NATO members suddenly realized that their military infrastructural inventories poorly matched, and the lack of joint design criteria made mutual warfare questionable. In other words there was a high probability that a US anti aircraft missile could knock down an ally aircraft. Quite strange that no cared was offered to such a vital element seriously undermining mutual military action. The Soviet Union, in its time, had a unified and highly aligned infrastructure, and hopefully Russia has today. Definitely, this is not a coincidence. The US was not really concerned about how its ally countries matched their efforts in case of war, quite on the contrary. On the other hand the European countries were and are not concerned much about combined warfare as they assume all efforts, expenses and casualties, poor publicity had better be gratefully left to the US.
Now, let us imagine for a minute that the US started withdrawing forces from Europe, wouldn’t that made the EU members scratch the back of their heads. Wouldn’t that cause them to combine efforts to fill the vacuum? Wouldn’t that be smart of the US to say that we are gradually withdrawing and this is our withdrawal plan laid out in time? So dear EU members please be kind enough to spend a bit more of your own money to protect yourselves and don’t keep thinking that we must get ourselves into trouble on your account. We helped you to a certain point, while Russia was a threat and your GDP was low. But now that your combined GDP exceeds that of the US, why does the US have to keep spending its hard earned money on matters that you are now more than capable of coping with yourself. Russia with its GDP is only a match to Holland and it will remain dependent of oil and gas exports to Europe for a long time to come. Why does the US have to pay Poland 20 billion dollars worth of military equipment just to install rockets intended to protect your countries? Dear EU members, it is full time you realized that the US budget isn’t a gratuitous charity fund.
Just recently, Germany has given consent to supporting Georgia and the Ukraine into NATO, assuming of course, and probably reassured by the US, that as before it won’t have to involve itself in any warfare with Russia, as their BIG American friend will carter for that. To demonstrate its transatlantic solidarity Germany will probably even send a few rifles, but not too many so as not to be hit by its own pacifists, or aggravate Russia to much, but enough to show that transatlantic unity means something to Germany.
Knowing the American establishment, I can hardly assume that my day dreaming will ever be realized in the near future. More evidently the US will go on with its cocksure cold war policy evolving enormous military expenses and Russia will have to be returned its “bloodthirsty” image, which is a crucial element without which contemporary US influence in Europe would gradually wither. The Europeans do not mind playing the game pretending to be loyal to transatlantic unity and incapable of caring for their own safety.
Quite obviously, in the scenario proposed, the US will lose its grip on European matters, but on the other hand, knowing America’s intellectual resourcefulness, it will always be an esteemed country and will have a decisive say in world affairs.
The rise of a new, really unified Europe, capable of tending to its own security, with its own interests and say in world affairs is the worthy aspiration, even if Russia if left to play the “scarecrow” that “daunts” these countries into consolidation.


 
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August 19, 2008

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Vladas
If we follow Mr. Mitchel’s policies, the humankind will experience another full-scale world war, possibly annihilation, and very soon.

And if we do not follow Mr. Mitchel's policies - we would face Soviet Union soon strong and sound.
Today "mighty-Russia" is just a myth. F/e Russia sells oil and gas to Europe but depends on EU in order to import technology.
Russian "elite" is extremely vulnerable - as we do not have today in Russia people like Kruschev who were feeling comfortably under iron curtain and isolation. They may hate the West, but prefer to hold villas there, go for shopping, send children for education...

Thus, today it's time to stop the bear.
Tomorrow that may cost a lot.
 
joe  stone

August 19, 2008

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Wess

Did you actually read the dribble that Asmus wrote. My reaction was disappointment in the editoral board of the WSJ for publishing it. I guess that is what new ownership gets you.

Asmus's paid function in life is to explain to us clod hoppers here in the States about germany and to keep the US engaged in Europe and by doing so protecting germany so it can continue to fund its social welfare state.

I have no idea just what NATO is or is not doing as it concerns supporting the eastern most nations. In fact, I have no idea why there is a NATO today and this comes from a once NATO J3 desk officer.

What I do know is EUCOM has a plan and is probably updating those plans right now. They just need to know what assets they have and what the TPFDL will look like should the POTUS direct action to be taken.

Asmus rambles on about Article 5. Yes we see how well that worked when NATO pledged to carry out its committments under Article 5 the last time. Seems berlin, Rome, etc were not on that distribution list. I am sure the Poles, as well as the other eastern member nations, will sleep much better knowing this.

But here is my question which I have asked on another blog - Do you really believe german mothers are going to send their sons off to Poland or for that matter anyplace to defend someone else's freedom?
 
joe  stone

August 19, 2008

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Am sure Mr. Asmus is cracking open a bottle of good french wine about now, probably provided by the marshall fund and their german sponsors.

NATO has met issued a strongly worded (european standards apply) statement and will establish a commission. A very european solution to a difficult problem - study it and take no action. Seems the french, germans and the other members of the chocolate summit + spain and now Italy have been working overtime.

That’s it? Russia invades a country, and the Atlantic Alliance sets up a commission?

I am sure this is the reassurance Mr.Asmus had in mind for those nations next on Russia's hit list.

But once again, we have peace in our time.
 
Gunnar  Schmidt

August 19, 2008

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@ Joe,

what is the US doing?

Bush is partying at the Olympics and clearing bush on his ranch.

Condi is saying the usual talking points rather than brokering a peace deal.

The US military is sending some humanitarian aid like a bunch of social workers...

And you are complaining about the Europeans.

Pretty pathetic.

Is that all that the lone superpower can do?

 
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August 20, 2008

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Dear Joe,

Thanks for your comments. You've clearly considered the matter at length and I see the logic in much of what you've said. I think the questions you raise are important because they point us back to "first principles" about the appropriate American role in Europe.

Why should we still be engaged in Europe militarily - or for that matter, politically - to the extent that we are today? Because Europe is incapable of managing its own geopolitical affairs. I don't mean this in a parental sense - e.g., that Washington is somehow wiser and that Europeans need us to steer them right. Rather, I mean that they are incapable, for reasons of history and structure and strategic mindset - of ensuring their own stability as a world region in the way that is necessary to secure vital U.S. interests. What are those interests? Pacifying Germany and repelling Russia. Why do we want to do that? Because historically, when these conditions aren't met, Europe - of all the world's power centers, the one that is physically closest to America - becomes, in the words of Dean Acheson, a "fire trap," generating first centripetal problems (i.e., those that force our attention and resources away from other priorities toward what should be one of the world's most stable pieces of real estate) and, if left unaddressed, centrifugal problems (i.e., those that spill over and become first-rate game-spoilers for America, like Nazism and Communism).

As you observe, we've met the first of these two conditions. Germany is pacified, perhaps beyond the extent that we want it to be. My concern is now with the second. At present, I believe the U.S. has one over-riding interest in Europe: preventing Russia from re-entering the Central European space. For years, even saying something like that would have sounded crazy. But after the invasion of Georgia, there is a growing acceptance of the fact that history is far from over in this part of the world. What prevents Russia today from replicating its Georgia move in, say, Poland? The answer is not European integration. It is NATO. And more to the point, the presence of some tens of thousands of U.S. troops in Europe. Of course, that's not to say Russia would be willing or capable of invading Central Europe tomorrow. But what about ten years from now? Twenty? If we withdrew, would they be deterred by Poland's status as an EU member state? Some might say yes; I doubt it.

Joe, my instinct is to raise or fold. Like you, I'm not much for the middle course: we're either there for a reason, and therefore there in earnest, or we're out. If the EU were really ready to step up to the task, I'd be more willing to entertain your argument that we should take the latter course. But I don't think they are. Nor do I share your confidence that the act of us walking away would serve as a stimulant for them to get their geopolitical house in order. As you suggest, Germans aren't going to risk their lives for Poland. More to the point: before we ever reached such a stage, German taxpayers would never countenance the costly measures that would be needed to enable their military to effectively replace a missing U.S. military umbrella. I think that Western Europe's leaders would not move decisively to defend their poorer eastern cousins if we left. Energy concerns, 68'er slogans, and neo-Kantian rhetoric about the European Idea would predominate. You read Bonnenberg's comment above about a union of "700 million." This is fantasy.

In such an environment, I like insurance policies. And so for now, my preference is to raise rather than fold. If we're going to be there, let's be there intelligently. Why keep our forces in Germany and Italy when the region we want to stabilize and prevent from becoming a geopolitical vaccuum is further east, in Poland and the Czech Republic? Who in the Cold War would have advocated keeping U.S. troops in Britain and France when the fault-line was in Germany? I say that if we're serious about stability in Europe, we move our troops to where they would matter most. Perhaps not all of them, as I suggest in the article. But more than the "symbolic" presence Asmus advocates (though he is thinking in the right direction). These are, after all, the countries who have been most generous, and endured the greatest hardships, in support of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. These are the countries that, if the EU ever does somehow manage to coalesce as a serious actor, will be our best bet for influencing it in a free-market, Atlanticist direction from the inside.

So in short, I think the U.S. military presence in Europe is still, all told, a good investment for U.S. taxpayers to be making - PROVIDED that we are using those resources wisely.

Gunnar - I think you miss Joe's whole point, which is precisely that the United States should not be doing more in this crisis, but rather should see it as a problem for Europe, which - he is right - is doing very little to address it, though it is much more obviously in the European interest to address than it is the American.
 
joe  stone

August 20, 2008

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Wess

My office program has a hex key which seems to be corrupted so I really can not to reply to your comment BUT trust me I very much want to and will.

For now I would classify your overall answer along the lines of our so called allies in berlin as to why they cannot deploy their soldiers into combat.

 
Joerg  Wolf

August 20, 2008

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@ "AKA Lord Vader"

Atlantic-community.org is a platform for serious and thoughtful discussions. Therefore I have to ask you to please use your real name, when you comment here.

Otherwise I have to delete your comment no matter how good and legitimate your input is.
 
joe  stone

August 20, 2008

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Is this an admin function or a question of content. If it is content then maybe Gunnar's comment should also be deleted
 
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August 20, 2008

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Joerg Wol
OK. Well noted.

I want to add, that people in Russia see the picture of Russia the way how Gazprom-media gives it.
Putin surely was too wise in his own manner to expropriate first Gusinski's NTV, much earlier, than he attacked Yukos,or Shell or Heritage or BP recently.
But in fact Russian economic output just reached level of 1989. Annual income per person of Russia we can not compare with most of it's tiny neighbors ex-soviet/Warsaw block countries. Even Russian energy-sector, the chicken which lays golden egg, is in need of western technology.

That simply mean one thing - if The West sees the threats and wants to stop Putin from re-bulding Soviet Union back - there are plenty of levers to be used, before, some other measures be taken - like moving US military bases to Eastern Europe, or patrolling the air in The Caucasus or establishing an alliance between US, Eastern European countries + Georgia and Ukraine signing the treaty... All these were suggested by various analysts, and these would of course be very strong - but again, there are still several economical and political levers unused... Frankly almost none were used yet.

The Achilles’ heel of The West is that they believe in magic power of words too much and man of action believes only in action. Putin is definitely the man of action. Was not that Churchill, who said once, that Agreement signed by Russians has the value of a paper, it is printed on?
 
Richard  Wales

August 21, 2008

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What should the U.S. do with it's troops? Bring them home. We have more important issues to deal with than events in Eastern Europe such as rebuilding our manufacturing base. Let Europe spend some of those rusty euros on military action if they want. Put European troops anywhere you like because this is about an oil pipeline and who will get the money. The U.S. is large and wealthy enough to recover from the criminal speculation in China and other card tricks that enrich a few at the expense of the American economy. So we don't need to move troops anywhere but home. It's time to stop playing tin soldiers and police games, and teach our children how to produce something. Then perhaps the "global community" will be about raising the standard of living worldwide instead of reducing all but a few to as low a standard of living as possible.
 
Ari  Rusila

August 22, 2008

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To Joe Stone:

Only a short remark to your sentence I quate "The Europeans have managed to keep the Americans engaged all the while developing strategic partnerships with those nations, which actually represent a threat to US national interests."

In Balkans US made alliances first with Serb leaders (who later came ICTY wanteds) and after with KLA (which before was described as terror organization) and al Quida (1st ally then one element in “axis of evil”) etc. So in reality your allies have been making a lot of mess in Europe last decades.

From my point of view it is common interest for both Europe and US that later stops its games in Europe. As I understand from your comments so maybe we can agree about this?
 
joe  stone

August 22, 2008

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Ari,

And even shorter reply

If you mean the US should leave NATO and Europe, then we very much agree.

As to fault the US for making poor selections of allies, I also agree. You do need however to start with the end of WWII and come forward to get a complete list of bad choices.

Ari, I dare say from my point of view your nation would be one of those poor selections
 
Ari  Rusila

August 23, 2008

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Joe,

Nice to agree you keep yours and I my nation.

Please note that I did not start poor selection list from WWII only 1990's - and list was short and only from one part of Balkans. Starting from WWII and going worldwide is out of my resources and information flow could tilt these transatlantic websites.

 
joe  stone

August 23, 2008

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How disappointing here I thought you were going to give me an thoughtful opinion of all the sins of the US.

You could just limit your list to Europe since 1948. That should not be that difficult. Just how many nations are there in Europe anyway.
 
joe  stone

August 24, 2008

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BTW it was my understanding the US and Finland had very good relations. Have I missed something? Equally I was unaware anyone was trying to take your country.

Here I will help you with your list. We can start with Russia.

How’s that?
 
Ari  Rusila

August 24, 2008

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Finland has over 1000 km common border with Russia, number of wars has been between us and Russia/USSR but also lot of good times like Autonomy time 1806-1917 as well last decades with increasing economic cooperation. With this background today more Finns are against than pro to join NATO and our dear neighbors in Sweden have similar results in opinion pools.

During independence only Russia has tried to occupy Finland, however in WWII Helsinki was one of the rare European capitals which was not occupied.

US/Finland relationship has no problems. Some few hundred thousend Finns emigrated some hundred years ago to USA. The US policy is is a bit strange to Finns who are living in Nordic wellfare state. The programm of US democrats is far way more right wing than Finnish Conservative party. Finland does not have influental fundamental-religios interest group.

Likes and dislikes are personal matters. Personally I dislike US way of life, citizens and policy a lot. Plastic smile, commercialism, religios fundamentalism are not my cup of tea. Europe is like more and especially in Russia and Balkans I really like to spend my time. But like I said this is only my opinion, I know that many Finns are thinking opposite and they have full right to do so.


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Donald  Stadler

August 24, 2008

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Wess, I have one big problem with your policy - it will encourage the very fecklessness you disapprove of. Germany has reduced it's self-defense capability down to almost nothing. Italy and Spain are similarly self-hamstringed, and until recently France seemed headed the same direction, but Sarko may have checked that.

If we continue to support the German policy of self-weakening (s your policy implicitly does) the US may well face a day when a Russian-Chinese alliance pushes outward into Poland, Korea, and the Pacific (Japan?) and have to face a choice of where to deploy our forces. Save Japan or Poland? I fear the choice will be to save Japan in that case.

Germany will be needed on that day. EUROPE will be needed on that day!

And they won't be there......

What you propose is effectively a policy of the US unilaterally defending Europe. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, unilateral US policymaking doesn't work. Why do you suppose this will?
 
joe  stone

August 25, 2008

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We each have likes and dislikes. I agree with your observation about how the respective political positions differ. I think we can also agree that because we both live in democratic and capitalist nations our lives are quite good.

Since I have never lived in Finland I really cannot make a statement about my likes and dislikes such as the ones you made about the US. I have to assume your experience while in the US was not to your liking resulting in the formation of your opinion.







 

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